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Bill Simmons lands on HBO
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/bill-simmons-finds-a-new-home-at-hbo-after-his-espn-divorce?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=55b0cab204d30115bc000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/138019250/bill-simmons-hbo-series-media-deals

smartest place for him to go: I think he sucks on TV, but I'm interested in what he will do and having him back.

Looking forward to Simmons unfiltered...and being able to shit on Goodell.
I don't know if we'll hear Simmons shit on ESPN, but the way he was ousted as BS.

I'd love for him to create a go-to website for HBO that would rival ESPN's with content and putting together a version of Grantland, of sorts (ESPN might get rid of Grantland anyway) . Even those that hate him (Deadspin) agree he's an amazing manager/boss of talent.

The ONE conflict of interest with Simmons/HBO: HBO has 'Hard Knocks' and 'Ballers' and Goodell will say something about that like he clearly did with ESPN.

But yeah, ESPN fucked up with letting Simmons go.
I don't think of his weekly show as a rival (someone doing a sports version of 'Real Time With Bill Maher' would be smart)
but he has a big podcast, popular column...and he's an ambitious/smart guy who can collect talent that could rival what ESPN could do.
But HBO could seriously challenge ESPN's 30-for-30 series (ESPN didn't have good documentaries before that series really)
You don't think of HBO as a go-to sports place, but that could change.

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ESPN's getting rid of talent/slashing $ (Cowherd; Olbermann; Simmons)
Olbermann: they had no idea what to do with on his return
Cowherd's replaceable and probably wanted out anyway

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Bill Simmons lands on HBO
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/bill-simmons-finds-a-new-home-at-hbo-after-his-espn-divorce?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=55b0cab204d30115bc000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/138019250/bill-simmons-hbo-series-media-deals

smartest place for him to go: I think he sucks on TV, but I'm interested in what he will do and having him back.

Looking forward to Simmons unfiltered...and being able to shit on Goodell.
I don't know if we'll hear Simmons shit on ESPN, but the way he was ousted as BS.

I'd love for him to create a go-to website for HBO that would rival ESPN's with content and putting together a version of Grantland, of sorts (ESPN might get rid of Grantland anyway) . Even those that hate him (Deadspin) agree he's an amazing manager/boss of talent.

The ONE conflict of interest with Simmons/HBO: HBO has 'Hard Knocks' and 'Ballers' and Goodell will say something about that like he clearly did with ESPN.

But yeah, ESPN fucked up with letting Simmons go.
I don't think of his weekly show as a rival (someone doing a sports version of 'Real Time With Bill Maher' would be smart)
but he has a big podcast, popular column...and he's an ambitious/smart guy who can collect talent that could rival what ESPN could do.
But HBO could seriously challenge ESPN's 30-for-30 series (ESPN didn't have good documentaries before that series really)
You don't think of HBO as a go-to sports place, but that could change.

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ESPN's getting rid of talent/slashing $ (Cowherd; Olbermann; Simmons)
Olbermann: they had no idea what to do with on his return
Cowherd's replaceable and probably wanted out anyway

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Maybe, but podcasts are a different beast, I'd say: if they did that, it might be on, like, the 4th or 5th channel of HBO...and the viewers who WOULD watch that, would simply rather listen to it on podcast, diminishing the viewership for that. I do say a sports version of Bill Maher would be THE best idea. Just get rid of the phony stand-up in the beginning and do something else instead.

I don't know where to put this...
Former Deadspin editor, Tommy Craggs, and now former Gawker editor resigned in a public way after an editorial board removed a post on Gawker for the first time...because they out a Chief Financial Officer as a guy who was married to a woman but tried sleeping with a porn star prostitute who tried extorting him for money; but outed him as a gay guy
it was ridiculous...and to then make that their NEWSROOM moment (as Filmdrunk Frotcast joked) to stand up publicly for is so fucking moronic, demented and silly.
I was waiting for most people (non-Deadspin) to speak up FOR Tommy Craggs, but they didn't either. Wasn't just me who thought it was an incredibly dumb stand to take. If that's what he gets remembered for (most likely now), then he deserves it. I can't overstate how dumb it is. 

Every Deadspin person swears by Tommy Craggs as being THE best editor/boss they ever had...and that he's one of the best writers.
I think it's because he gives free reign...but on the writing side, he barely wrote: when he did, it was to squash the easiest bait ever (Colin Cowherd, for instance) and he got praised for it.

The guy seems like has Aspergers and is full of himself or some shit to even do that.

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so Simmons is back with podcast only.
I don't know what his project is OTHER than a TV show...the 4 Grantland staffers he took with him to HBO for a TV project weren't impressive.
I don't know when/where he will write...and that's a bummer.

The big thing is that, while ESPN is saying Grantland will continue, I don't think it will at all.
ESPN is clearly cutting costs and I don't know if the site makes enough $ to maintain...and you're slowly seeing a LOT of key Grantland people leave (Dan Fierman, co-runner with Simmons, left for MTV; Mark Harris and others left and I'm sure more will follow)

The dumbest thing Simmons did (and he admitted this as his biggest mistake) was being involved on that NBA Countdown mess....he had nothing to offer, wasn't his lane really with the amount of time you have: he took shots at ESPN for that by saying he was working too much between the podcasts, the column, and running Grantland. But that seems to be on him for OK'ing that.
His gripes with ESPN sound legit, even if Deadspin's podcast shit on that saying he was petty...
1. site wasn't promoted on ESPN's main page at all: once in 1 month it got the lead---and Simmons would argue, rightfully, they had something like 80% of the best writers on ESPN writing for Grantland: the argument here was that Grantland was helped out by ESPN when that wasn't the case. They can see the numbers for other sites propelled by an outside site but the 'unique' traffic visitors weren't coming from ESPN at all
2. they weren't available on mobile ESPN or whatever until early 2015
3. ESPN wasn't hiring new Grantland staffers and kept a freeze on that for a short staff
4. pitting the Grantland-Kobe interview opposite the Oscars (meh)
5. decrease in pay for Simmons, etc, etc

I think some of the things that sound tiny that Drew Magary/Tim Marchman pointed out as Simmons being petty...but, if you're the person in charge of running the site, you can see how issues 1 & 2 can effect things

 

Here's the best current read on the situation...
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/espn-grantland-problem#2

Simmons' irks...
-when Skipper retired, they lost any power in having a 'suit' that lobbied on behalf of Grantland within the company 3000 miles away
-add staff (hiring freeze when they needed more)
-lobbied to get Nate Silver on Grantland: it was, instead, moved to its own website 538.com
-ESPN didn't get Katie Nolan, who Simmons lobbied/pushed hard for
-ad sales for his podcast (projected $5 million/year for his podcast right now...nearly outearning ESPN's ad sales for Grantland a year: that's damning since it could have been resourceful for Grantland)
-visibility for the website on ESPN (despite running the majority of ESPN's best pieces, it would be lucky if it made it on ESPN's main site once/month)

obviously, the NFL having SO much power and ESPN clearly having a conflict of interest to be subjective.

Grantland's irks...
-when Simmons was fired, staffers (and Simmons himself) found out via Twitter...
-...when Chris Connelly was made interim editor-in-chief, they also found out on Twitter

OTHERS...
-Jason Whitlock's 'Black Grantland' site 'the Undefeated' failing so massively: and predictably given that Whitlock, unlike Simmons, isn't a person of good taste or an agreeable person to be expected to run a site: I read only some of Deadspin's pieces on him, but they kept going on and on...what a trainwreck

Either way, ESPN is slashing $ and these sites will probably end

I'm excited to see where people leave to because it sounds obvious that is what's happening.
It sucks for writing because the more places for writers the better...I just hope they land somewhere that offers them what Grantland, at its best, was able to do

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ESPN kills Grantland effective immediately

http://deadspin.com/espn-has-killed-grantland-1739659651?rev=1446228239752&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

could see it coming...but 'effective immediately' is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Looks like they were looking to beat a leak for sure,
People expected by December maybe but there wasn't any big blow-up except for Bill Barnwell/Robert Mays not doing podcasts because Chris Connelly edited out their thanking Grantland staffers who left. They finally DID air a podcast with Rembert this week. You could sense something, but it wasn't anything close to controversial or taking shots at ESPN.

Bill Simmons helped introduce a TON of great writers/talent and this blows. I think more go-to guys would have developed there.

I'm REAL down on ESPN and what they're doing: they're removing shit left and right because they're cutting costs per orders from Disney (lot of cord-cutters); but they're sacrificing quality and just becoming more 'entertainment' in the shittiest ways. Surely, Grantland had some entertainment value and it didn't make much $ and have 'broader appeal' which means more shit like Bayless/Stephen A Smith/Tebow/Berman, bleh.

It was also Rembert's VERY last day.
Andy Greenwald was leaving next Wednesday (that I didn't know; just knew he was writing a book...I slowly began to like his writing and enjoyed his podcasts and some of his tastes)

was still working an hour ago when that was posted...wearing the MR ROBOT mask....news of Grantland ending ASAP came down less than 20 minutes later.

Holly Anderson shits on Jim Miller, dude who wrote 'SNL Book' and ESPN book, for pitting Bill Simmons/ESPN against each other with others still at Grantland caught in middle
https://twitter.com/HollyAnderson

I mean, I did enjoy Jim Miller's writing...but it was sensationalist and definitely playing sides weirdly. And playing delicately a bit with both sides.

 

 

 

 

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Would like to see if Bill Simmons is able to start a Grantland-esque site again. My God, that would be amazing. I think he was a great editor (even if you hate him the way Deadspin did, they admitted he was definitely one). It's just a matter of cost.

ESPN president John Skipper calls criticism of deflategate coverage 'ridiculous'
http://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/10/29/espn-president-calls-criticism-of-deflategate-coverage-ridiculous/

what a cocksucker: It was a joke, one-sided, false, and in the NFL's pocket.
Not bothering to refute facts that were proved wrong (Chris Mortensen) or shit that was already proven wrong about Spygate over 8 years ago.

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I read a review on Time I think it was, and the reviewer shit all over the show.

 

His commercial/preview/teaser or whatever that HBO runs before shows was annoying enough for me to not even give it a try.  Maybe he'll find a groove.

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I enjoyed it, but I think if you don't like him already, you won't bother.
I don't really think of Simmons as 'controversial' really: he's kind of plain...and in his podcast, he comes across as engaging/affable to anyone he converses with.

Time review
http://time.com/4379557/review-bill-simmons-hbo-any-given-wednesday/

Will Leitch: Simmons' show refreshingly normal/modest
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/185731922/bill-simmons-any-given-wednesday-debut-review

-the parts that clunked/didn't work were the Stephen Curry photoshopping...and some comedic video images/montages just fell flat. He's not a performer comedian like John Oliver or someone on Comedy Central to make it work...Oliver had a lifetime experience performing AND worked on the Daily Show as its host, so he was ready out the gate.
-he's reading off a teleprompter and you can tell (he talked about how difficult it is on Katie Nolan's podcast)
-he's not and never has been good on TV...he has to rely more on his guests.

Things I liked...
-I wish the Barkley/Affleck conversations would go on longer...and they are vehicles to listen to his podcast. The conversations work for me and that's the bulk of the show.

Affleck's points about Deflategate got kind of incoherent, but his point about the cell phone is right...and I just wish comedians like Bill Burr or Nick Stevens (Inactives/SB Nation) got involved....or a scientist to mention Ideal Gas Law....but there's only so much you can do in, like, a 5-minute segment.

-Joe Buck's HBO show tanked when Artie Lange just made fun of him the whole time...it was an AWESOME trainwreck to watch. I was waiting for Simmons to have an Artie Lange joke in the first episode, but guess not.
-Norm MacDonald's sports show failed
-Onion Sports too

I don't know if people really care or what this does for HBO to have a sports show; seems like it would be relatively cheap...and that Simmons is a good name to have who can help get many projects off the ground or promote them via the podcast network cheaply.

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Bonus footage: Speed round w/ Barkley

fun, simple

guests for next episode: Mark Cuban, Malcolm Gladwell, Bill Hader...should be fun. I expect Cuban to be contentious. 

the Ringer

hasn't been said...but I'm digging the website.
It's basically Grantland w/ more tech talk, less longreads (though I'm sure they'll come)

I'm sure more Grantland staffers might eventually join up....also the website looks better than Grantland.
One change-up/curveball is more tech talk, which I find fascinating to check out.

Deadspin always shits on Simmons/Grantland/the Ringer and questions how they make a profit...but they're petty/nitpick over dumb shit. It's an enjoyable site that I check out each day.

the Ringer podcast network
I check out some of the NBA stuff...NFL (I like Robert Mays)...'Keeping It 1600' (politics)...the Watch (TV)
Not sure if the politics podcast is the best, but it's okay. Some comedians that talk about politics (Dave Anthony) I enjoy more.

Simmons is narrowing down his podcast to once a week while his TV show is on.

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HBO cancels Simmons' show, last show November 9th

show wasn't great, but I enjoyed the interviews.
The editorials SUCKED: his voice is awful and it was just unfunny...they cut that from the opening where they rehashed the week, put it in the middle: just opened/closed with interviews/conversations which were pretty awesome/enjoyable: I think they liked having a celebrity/athlete on it (Gretzky/Burr; Nas/Durant; Doug Baldwin/Joel McHale). But then, you could just have that in podcast form instead.

Also, HBO is generally watched only on Sunday nights, not on Wednesdays with no other shows surrounding it to build it up. And then going up against sporting events makes it tough.
It's REALLY hard to have a successful sports show unless you're on ESPN where it just automatically has people watching at all times.
Norm's Sports Show failed, Onion Sports.
The only guys who I could see succeeding would be Pardon My Take: surround them with Katie Nolan or somebody else too.

Wonder what happens with Simmons at HBO now, what he's developing, and everything else.

 

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WIsh HBO/Comedy Central/FX would take over 'Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn' and have it on each weeknight.

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When Kevin Hart becomes a little less famous, I bet he could make Tough Crowd work in the future.  He used to be a regular and he'd actually be a good host on a show like that, simply because he has good comic friends.

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