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Was Plato part of an Orientalist Movement? Was his thought influenced by the hermetic teachings of old?

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Some argue the source of the hermetic teachings came from Zoroaster himself and were passed down as a mystery religion, other claims it was Moses who received the Kabbalah along with the tablets of the law which later became an oral traditions. Others argue for the existence of an Egyptian Mage named Hermes Trismigestus, who was contacted by a praeternatural entity and endowed with knowledge of God and Creation, thus giving him true Knowledge of existence, or gnosis.

Whatever the case, here is this video of an expert in rennaissance hermetic thought and revivalist attitudes who can trace it all the way back to the original writings of Plato, really interesting.



For those that don't know, O.T.O., standing for Order of the Temple of the East, is a hermetic school and fraternal order.

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wait i thought this was about the planet plato the 9th planet RIP plato

 

I figured it was about the toy.  As a kid I sat with my plato all day and just molded it into dinosaurs and stuff, so much fun.

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through his writings, plato strikes me as one who's lost all his faith in human "nature", and was interested in totalitarian philosophies, and the realization of an "enlightened" system of scientific despotism over democratic "mob-rule", via philosopher kings, and a distracted, dumbed-down and mentally-domesticated (educated) mass populace.  the manipulation of the psychology of the "masses" through education to submit to state rulership was the ultimate goal of plato's republic(an) utopia.    plato was definitly involved in the ancient eugenics engineering movement through his writings in the republic, outlying a masterplan whereby serfs would be restricted to a high grain, mostly wheat based vegan diet, deprived of essential fats and proteins, and tought to submit to the conditions on earth being god's will,  promoted via government-operated-spirituality-religions, and encouraged to submit to the god's chosen authority figures on earth, that everything was going to be ok , someday.  brave old world stuff.  little wonder why they promote plato's the republic as a... bible of philosophy, in the countries where governments prefer drugged, "dumbed-down" and distracted masses who can't threaten to change the social structure because  they have been educated to be grateful and faithful for their serf-life blessings.  

 

and it's true, i have been raised to feel blessed as a serf begger by listening to thrice's music that the government promoted. plato's pieces are all falling toegher...

 

and the eye on the pyramid that watches.

Well you are right, but I think that's been the basic premise of 'mystery religions' for a long time, and it was a clear sign of strength in many areas. There are disciplines that need to be had to arrive at a certain ideal destination, and if some know better than others, it's okay to let them rule.

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so plato was an asian hermaphrodite? 

Hermaphoditism wasn't around until much later in alchemy, when the seekers sought to create perfect balance between the two genders using the generative principle (sex) to 'mix the chemicals right dear'

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I think what you are referring to is the dynamic of the 'revelation of God' and the 'message'. For centuries it has been thought that the divine is a latent capacity in man that 'reveals' itself to some through the 'ordeals' in order to manifest itself on this plane. In other words, the word of God incarnates into this planes through our word and deed, and this is what creates the hierarchical system of most religions. In a sense, the message, the destination, the goal of humanity, it's ultimate purpose, is to be divined through different methods of philosophy in order to come to a consensus, and once this consensus is reached a hierarchy of masters is established to guide humanity towards that ideal.

Man exists in many layers, from his primitive animal origins, to his cosmic destiny. In the purpose of man to make sense of this condition and whether you believe in a powerful cosmic presence that created it all or not, it is much simpler to look at nature, the nature of things, and understand that it resides within us and without us, and it seems to have an intelligent purpose. Although the explanation of what that purpose is may escape us altogether, we can divine through philosophy what our particular role in this situation shall be. And again, once we come to a consensus on what this means, we build systems for imparting this knowledge to others and guide humanity towards this goal. I think of it in terms of evolution and metaphysics, combined with a little bit of divine imagination that gives us the nourishment we need when we crave 'meaning'.

 

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It hasn't always been perfect and such organizations have historically become corrupt, and yes they have been striving for power, but they are testament that our systems are far from perfect, they are primitive, but the goal it strives towards is overall 'good'. Or sufficient enough to appease all of the power of nature, including our own nature. 

If we understand something about evolution is the following. By satisfying our desire, we are satisfying a transcendental task. Our desires are created from our nature, and our nature is part of this overall picture that is transforming dead matter into living matter, converting seemingly simple systems into more novel and sophisticated systems.

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This is shiny pokemon rare right here. A discussion about the Illuminati where no one has called them the Illuminati nor stated that the Illuminati intends to rule the earth in a "NWO". 

Kudos for you two being very knowledgeable on the subject guys. 

I am really curious what the future of mystery schools is and moreso what's gonna happen to the chaos magick scene in the near future. Shit's stale and got no stronghold anywhere. Too grassroots. Can't believe I am saying this, but certain things need more centralization.

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This is shiny pokemon rare right here. A discussion about the Illuminati where no one has called them the Illuminati nor stated that the Illuminati intends to rule the earth in a "NWO". 

Kudos for you two being very knowledgeable on the subject guys. 

I am really curious what the future of mystery schools is and moreso what's gonna happen to the chaos magick scene in the near future. Shit's stale and got no stronghold anywhere. Too grassroots. Can't believe I am saying this, but certain things need more centralization.

Chaos Magick is doomed from the start because it pretends to be a very sophisticated and advanced system of high magick, but it is in fact a gross modern misrepresentation of the core teachings of mystery schools. It's even so more dead now that the current leaders in Chaos Magick have turned against Aleister Crowley's Thelema, even though a great deal of their materia comes directly from treating the subject matter.

 

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